Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/25/2003 03:00 PM House HES

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HB 154-UNDER SCHOOL AGE STUDENTS                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2337                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  154,  "An  Act relating  to  admission  to  and                                                               
advancement in public  schools of children under  school age; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2318                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
EDDY  JEANS,  Manager,  School Finance  and  Facilities  Section,                                                               
Education  Support Services,  Department of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development,  testified  in  support   of  HB  154  and  answered                                                               
questions  from  the   members.    He  told   the  committee  the                                                               
Department  of  Education  and  Early  Development  and  Governor                                                               
Murkowski  have  requested  that  the committee  hear  this  bill                                                               
because it has  come to the department's attention  over the last                                                               
couple of  years that there are  a number of school  districts in                                                               
the  state that  are  enrolling basically  all four-year-olds  in                                                               
their  communities into  what is  called a  two-year kindergarten                                                               
program.  The department has  discouraged districts from entering                                                               
into this practice.  The statute  does have a loophole in it that                                                               
allows  districts to  provide  early  entry of  under-school-aged                                                               
students  if  they  are  ready  for the  program  that  is  being                                                               
offered.    That  is  where the  department  runs  into  problems                                                               
because the  program offered  has broad  language that  leaves it                                                               
wide open  for districts to  interpret the language the  way they                                                               
like.   The department is not  looking at this as  a mechanism to                                                               
keep  the  four-year-old that  is  an  exceptional child  out  of                                                               
public schools early.  This is  simply a way to provide direction                                                               
to all school  districts that the intent of  this legislation was                                                               
not  to  enroll  all  four-year-olds.   The  districts  that  are                                                               
practicing this are getting 14 years  of funding as opposed to 13                                                               
years of funding through the  foundation program.  Mr. Jeans said                                                               
there is a  fiscal note that shows a $3.9  million savings to the                                                               
foundation program.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2231                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  DAVIS,  Superintendent,   Bering  Strait  School  District,                                                               
testified via  teleconference in opposition  to HB 154.   He said                                                               
Governor Murkowski  has proposed several reductions  in education                                                               
funding in an  effort to control state expenditures  in line with                                                               
revenues,  and  HB  154  is  one  of them.    He  asked  why  any                                                               
reasonable  person  would  object  to  the  needed  sacrifice  to                                                               
accomplish this  goal.   Mr. Davis said  his concern  is twofold.                                                               
The cost  of the  bill when  saving money is  in the  short term.                                                               
This is about  providing services to a group of  children who are                                                               
the most  vulnerable and the  most educationally needy.   He said                                                               
the  reduction of  funding for  the program  will not  create the                                                               
$3.9 million  savings represented.   He  contended that  the bill                                                               
will cost his  district and the state  additional funds, remedial                                                               
services, and  other special  services to help  a segment  of the                                                               
student population that  needs all the help it can  get.  Second,                                                               
the students most  impacted by this bill are not  large in number                                                               
and do not hold  sway as many others do with  other concerns.  He                                                               
asked the committee not to ask  more of these children than would                                                               
be asked of others.  Early  childhood education is clearly one of                                                               
the best investments in a child's education.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked Mr.  Jeans how  much more  it would  cost the                                                               
state if every school started having two-year kindergarten.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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MR.  JEANS replied  that  the department  has  estimated that  it                                                               
would cost  approximately $60 million  to the  foundation program                                                               
if  all  four-year-olds in  the  state  were enrolled  in  public                                                               
schools.   The other  piece of this  equation that  the committee                                                               
needs  to  be aware  of  is  that  any  students that  the  state                                                               
provides   funding    for   through   the    foundation   program                                                               
automatically  become   eligible  for  space  under   the  school                                                               
construction guidelines.   In other  words, the state  would have                                                               
to build  bigger schools to serve  a larger population.   He said                                                               
it is  not just the  foundation program that is  being addressed;                                                               
it is the foundation program as well as school construction.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2138                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CARL  ROSE,  Executive  Director, Association  of  Alaska  School                                                               
Boards,  testified  in opposition  to  HB  154 and  responded  to                                                               
questions  by the  committee.   He told  the committee  he agrees                                                               
with  the comments  the members  just  heard from  Superintendent                                                               
Davis.  There  is an inconsistency that the  committee is looking                                                               
at  here.    In  1998  the legislature  passed  the  High  School                                                               
Graduation  Qualifying  Exam (HSGQE)  and  it  was recognized  by                                                               
everyone  then  that  it  was  the wrong  end  to  start.    That                                                               
recognition  of   the  problem   started  the   movement  towards                                                               
benchmark  examinations.   What was  determined after  looking at                                                               
the benchmark  scores was  that the  most critical  benchmark was                                                               
the third  grade because it  was apparent  to many that  the kids                                                               
who were not on step by the  first benchmark would not be able to                                                               
take advantage  of the stronger  curriculum that was going  to be                                                               
offered.   This had  brought in the  discussion of  a preparation                                                               
gap.  That  preparation gap is children who come  to school, some                                                               
of the  most needy that  Superintendent Davis was  talking about,                                                               
who do not have a grasp of  numbers, letters, or colors.  Some of                                                               
these students  are going  to be  placed in  a situation  at some                                                               
point in  time where they will  be measured up to  standards, and                                                               
if they do not have the tools they  need by the time they hit the                                                               
third-grade benchmark, they will be at risk.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said  that he was looking at statistics  that come off a                                                               
web site that show in the  large urban areas in terms of reading,                                                               
writing, and  math, there is  75 percent proficiency  in reading,                                                               
87 percent proficiency in writing,  and 67 percent proficiency in                                                               
math.  He  contrasted that with large Western  and Interior REAAs                                                               
[Rural  Education Attendance  Areas], and  large Western  single-                                                               
site schools  where the  numbers drop  off dramatically,  from 75                                                               
percent  in reading  to 24,  22, and  10 percent  proficiency; in                                                               
writing from  87 percent to  56, 49, and 47  percent proficiency;                                                               
and  in  math  from  67  percent   to  30,  37,  and  20  percent                                                               
proficiency.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2016                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said the data is  clear that the people who are availing                                                               
themselves of  this particular program  are the kids who  need it                                                               
most.   That is the inconsistency  where the state has  placed an                                                               
emphasis on  student standards and benchmarks,  and even retitled                                                               
the department  of education to  the Department of  Education and                                                               
Early  Development.    He  asked  where  the  emphasis  on  early                                                               
development is.   He said he agrees that there  are other ways in                                                               
some   communities  to   provide   early   development,  but   in                                                               
communities  where  proficiency  is  low, the  only  place  these                                                               
children can go  is the public school system.   Mr. Rose asked in                                                               
talking about inconsistency and the  preparation gap to make sure                                                               
kids are  prepared to take  advantage of the rich  curriculum the                                                               
state will  be offering  them.   He questioned  how to  deal with                                                               
this  in  areas  that do  not  have  the  ability  to do  it  for                                                               
themselves.   It is  a policy  call that  he hopes  the committee                                                               
will look at that  is not just about saving money  or of having a                                                               
fear that  every school district  will avail itself  by enrolling                                                               
all  four-year-olds.   Mr.  Rose  said  he  believes this  is  an                                                               
opportunity for those kids who need  enrichment to get it, and he                                                               
hopes that more emphasis will be placed on early development.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1982                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON commented  that  this is  a policy  call.   Do  the                                                               
members  believe   the  state  should  be   offering  a  two-year                                                               
kindergarten program or not?                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked if Mr.  Rose is suggesting  that the                                                               
state  limit the  two-year kindergarten  to  rural districts  and                                                               
prohibit  the  urban districts  from  having  the same  sorts  of                                                               
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1959                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE responded  that  is  not what  he  is  suggesting.   He                                                               
clarified  his  comments  by  saying that  some  kids  can  avail                                                               
themselves of  programs and  have an  opportunity to  receive the                                                               
kind of  enrichment they  need, while  other kids do  not.   As a                                                               
system, even through  the foundation formula, the  state tries to                                                               
account for that through the factoring  that is done.  He said he                                                               
is not suggesting  that the state have two  years of kindergarten                                                               
as a  policy call.   The question  is how the  kids whom  need it                                                               
most can  get the  kind of assistance  and enrichment  they need.                                                               
That is the policy question that needs to be addressed.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1937                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA commented  that many  parents do  not want                                                               
their children to  leave for school at an early  age.  This would                                                               
not require  two years of  kindergarten; it only says  they could                                                               
attend.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON commented  that many  districts, including                                                               
urban  districts and  his district  on the  Kenai Peninsula,  are                                                               
going  through  severe   cuts  because  of  a   drop  in  student                                                               
population.   If the two-year kindergarten  program is available,                                                               
he  said he  is sure  the  Kenai Peninsula  School District  will                                                               
encourage everyone that it can  possibly get to take advantage of                                                               
the  program because  it is  a full-time  equivalent for  another                                                               
segment of  students.  Representative  Seaton said that  it would                                                               
not be necessary to build new  schools; in fact, there are plenty                                                               
of rooms in the existing schools.   But there would definitely be                                                               
a need for funds for more teachers.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1865                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL asked  Mr.  Jeans, if  this bill  passes,                                                               
whether  youngsters  who  demonstrate  the  ability  to  progress                                                               
through the grade levels would be able to enroll.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS responded that he is correct.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL asked  if he is correct  in assuming there                                                               
is some  discretionary measure with  the districts  on enrollment                                                               
policy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1850                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS responded that he is correct.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL commented  that  this bill  would not  be                                                               
kicking kindergarteners out of school, but narrowing the scope.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS said he  has made an effort to be  very clear that this                                                               
bill is  not intended to  prohibit the  exceptional four-year-old                                                               
from  enrolling in  kindergarten  with the  expectation that  the                                                               
child will  advance to the  first grade in  the next year.   This                                                               
simply addresses  an issue that  the department has  become aware                                                               
of   since  collecting   student-level  data   from  all   school                                                               
districts.  Some districts appear  to be enrolling all four-year-                                                               
olds  in   their  public   schools  and   holding  them   at  the                                                               
kindergarten level for a two-year period.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1778                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARY  FRANCIS,  Executive  Director,  Alaska  Council  of  School                                                               
Administrators,  testified  on HB  154.    She pointed  out  that                                                               
exceptional  children, both  gifted  and with  special needs,  do                                                               
have access to  early participation in school programs.   That is                                                               
mandated by law.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON   clarified  that   with  or  without   this  bill,                                                               
exceptional children on both ends of the scale will be served.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FRANCIS replied  that  is correct.   She  said  there is  an                                                               
appropriate screening device,  which is part of the  law.  School                                                               
administrators developed  a psychological test that  students are                                                               
required to take for exceptionality  that shows their preparation                                                               
for  kindergarten,  with the  total  expectation  that they  were                                                               
fully able  to meet  the kindergarten  expectation and  not spend                                                               
two years at that level.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced that the  committee would take a brief at-                                                               
ease at 4:15 p.m.  The committee reconvened at 4:18 p.m.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1718                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced that HB 154 would be held over.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                

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